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		<title>Comment on Why Church? &#8211; Good Question&#8230; by davidgroenenboom</title>
		<link>http://davidgroenenboom.com/2012/05/22/why-church-good-question/#comment-340</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 08:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Don,

I agree with your point about Hybels&#039; and the church. I have often read that statement from &#039;Courageous Leadership&#039; and found myself pushing back on it a little. I just want him to say &#039;the church carries the hope of the world&#039; or &#039;Christ is the hope of the world, and the church gets to carry his good news and his good deeds into the brokenness around them&#039; but that&#039;s not that he says. I&#039;d like to think, though, that is what he means. I cannot imagine Hybels thinking anything different to that.

I agree with your basic thought that it&#039;s Christ who is the core reality in the church, and a few future posts will look at how He changes everything we do in the church. Part of our problem is that we start and finish with us, and this tends to undermine God&#039;s work in his people.

Thanks again, great to hear form you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Don,</p>
<p>I agree with your point about Hybels&#8217; and the church. I have often read that statement from &#8216;Courageous Leadership&#8217; and found myself pushing back on it a little. I just want him to say &#8216;the church carries the hope of the world&#8217; or &#8216;Christ is the hope of the world, and the church gets to carry his good news and his good deeds into the brokenness around them&#8217; but that&#8217;s not that he says. I&#8217;d like to think, though, that is what he means. I cannot imagine Hybels thinking anything different to that.</p>
<p>I agree with your basic thought that it&#8217;s Christ who is the core reality in the church, and a few future posts will look at how He changes everything we do in the church. Part of our problem is that we start and finish with us, and this tends to undermine God&#8217;s work in his people.</p>
<p>Thanks again, great to hear form you!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why Church? &#8211; Good Question&#8230; by Don R</title>
		<link>http://davidgroenenboom.com/2012/05/22/why-church-good-question/#comment-339</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 18:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill Hybels is known to say:  &quot;The Church is the hope of the world.&quot;  I disagree with the statement NOT because the Church is so crucial in bringing hope to the people of the world, but because it is Christ alone who brings hope (and yes, He often does it in conjunction with the Church and her members).  This is not just a semantic game!   If this is the starting point for Christians, then I believe your perspective of the church changes because it places the church in the proper place where sin, evil, humanity, politics, relational dynamics, etc. are the &quot;flavors&quot; that make the difference between different congregations.  As a believer then, my perspective on the church is not only more realistic, but also more positive because it allows for our fallen state lifted up by Christ&#039;s grace.  I also think that unless this is the case, we as believers are doing an injustice to the uncommitted by shifting focus on what truly is important (Christ) and placing it instead is not as satisfying.  That is why one of the things I teach often is that Christians and the church are not in the business of inviting people to church, but inviting people to Christ (often with the help of a church community)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Hybels is known to say:  &#8220;The Church is the hope of the world.&#8221;  I disagree with the statement NOT because the Church is so crucial in bringing hope to the people of the world, but because it is Christ alone who brings hope (and yes, He often does it in conjunction with the Church and her members).  This is not just a semantic game!   If this is the starting point for Christians, then I believe your perspective of the church changes because it places the church in the proper place where sin, evil, humanity, politics, relational dynamics, etc. are the &#8220;flavors&#8221; that make the difference between different congregations.  As a believer then, my perspective on the church is not only more realistic, but also more positive because it allows for our fallen state lifted up by Christ&#8217;s grace.  I also think that unless this is the case, we as believers are doing an injustice to the uncommitted by shifting focus on what truly is important (Christ) and placing it instead is not as satisfying.  That is why one of the things I teach often is that Christians and the church are not in the business of inviting people to church, but inviting people to Christ (often with the help of a church community)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rethinking Refugees by Reina de Vries</title>
		<link>http://davidgroenenboom.com/2012/03/03/rethinking-refugees/#comment-330</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reina de Vries]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 07:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi DAvid

Thanks for that post. It was very timely. I believe we live in a culture that values it&#039;s pets over people. So much is made of pets (and I have nothing against them). It causes me to wonder why that happens and the only conclusion I can come to is that pets always give. As long  as they are fed and given some attention they expect litle else where as people require so much more. I was at a function recently where two couples each had 4 dogs they adored, preened and talked endlessly about. The same people spoke of lining up refugees (or boat people) and shooting them. I must say I just found that context really hard both to handle and to respond to. We, as Christians surely must see refugees as people God&#039;s desires for relationship with Him. If that&#039;s the case then who are we to resist them coming to this country. Australia&#039;s processes and policy leave much to be desired but I love the way you finish. May we be a people of welcome..Reina]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi DAvid</p>
<p>Thanks for that post. It was very timely. I believe we live in a culture that values it&#8217;s pets over people. So much is made of pets (and I have nothing against them). It causes me to wonder why that happens and the only conclusion I can come to is that pets always give. As long  as they are fed and given some attention they expect litle else where as people require so much more. I was at a function recently where two couples each had 4 dogs they adored, preened and talked endlessly about. The same people spoke of lining up refugees (or boat people) and shooting them. I must say I just found that context really hard both to handle and to respond to. We, as Christians surely must see refugees as people God&#8217;s desires for relationship with Him. If that&#8217;s the case then who are we to resist them coming to this country. Australia&#8217;s processes and policy leave much to be desired but I love the way you finish. May we be a people of welcome..Reina</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rethinking Refugees by Joshua Hartog</title>
		<link>http://davidgroenenboom.com/2012/03/03/rethinking-refugees/#comment-328</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joshua Hartog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2012 20:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[G&#039;day David, remind me not to ask about your dreams in future! However, I must admit that the plight of refuges in Australia is something that has disturbed for a while. My biggest concern is how long it takes to process a refuge, they hang in limbo for years, which I think is unjust. I&#039;m not sure if we can lobby our government as a church, but changing our refuge policy would be a great cause for just in our land. Thanks for your post. God bless. Pastor Josh]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G&#8217;day David, remind me not to ask about your dreams in future! However, I must admit that the plight of refuges in Australia is something that has disturbed for a while. My biggest concern is how long it takes to process a refuge, they hang in limbo for years, which I think is unjust. I&#8217;m not sure if we can lobby our government as a church, but changing our refuge policy would be a great cause for just in our land. Thanks for your post. God bless. Pastor Josh</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Mudzone: After the flood in Brisbane&#8217;s West End by cleaners in brisbane</title>
		<link>http://davidgroenenboom.com/2011/01/15/the-mudzone-after-the-flood-in-brisbanes-west-end/#comment-323</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cleaners in brisbane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[support from your community makes a lot of things done easily]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>support from your community makes a lot of things done easily</p>
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		<title>Comment on Following and Sacrifice by Kerri Schefe</title>
		<link>http://davidgroenenboom.com/2012/01/11/following-and-sacrifice/#comment-307</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kerri Schefe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks again Dave - you are so gifted at unpacking this stuff!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again Dave &#8211; you are so gifted at unpacking this stuff!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Following and Sacrifice by Jack De Vries</title>
		<link>http://davidgroenenboom.com/2012/01/11/following-and-sacrifice/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack De Vries]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So true Dave and Leonie ... I spent this week speaking with one of my closest (and farthest) friends, and having him keep me accountable is a gift I cherish and helps me grow in character and convictions.    Good reflections.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true Dave and Leonie &#8230; I spent this week speaking with one of my closest (and farthest) friends, and having him keep me accountable is a gift I cherish and helps me grow in character and convictions.    Good reflections.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Following and Sacrifice by Leonie</title>
		<link>http://davidgroenenboom.com/2012/01/11/following-and-sacrifice/#comment-305</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leonie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some challenging thoughts there, especially the very last line - being willing to share what I should change with someone else and asking them to keep me accountable. No getting out of that one once you&#039;re committed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some challenging thoughts there, especially the very last line &#8211; being willing to share what I should change with someone else and asking them to keep me accountable. No getting out of that one once you&#8217;re committed!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Follow Me! by Kerri Schefe</title>
		<link>http://davidgroenenboom.com/2012/01/10/follow-me/#comment-303</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kerri Schefe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Dave,
Thanks so much for that! Wow - i  set out this week to make a list of all the words that would describe Jesus, and things that he desires in us, so that i can be more obedient to Him! How relevant! I also read the verses in Matthew and marvelled at how those men just dropped everything and followed Him. I will definitely get that book. 
Love,
Kerri Schefe]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave,<br />
Thanks so much for that! Wow &#8211; i  set out this week to make a list of all the words that would describe Jesus, and things that he desires in us, so that i can be more obedient to Him! How relevant! I also read the verses in Matthew and marvelled at how those men just dropped everything and followed Him. I will definitely get that book.<br />
Love,<br />
Kerri Schefe</p>
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		<title>Comment on Follow Me! by Geoff Hughes</title>
		<link>http://davidgroenenboom.com/2012/01/10/follow-me/#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Hughes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Dave - good thoughts, thanks! Nice to see you back with the pen. Regards,
Geoff H]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave &#8211; good thoughts, thanks! Nice to see you back with the pen. Regards,<br />
Geoff H</p>
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